Sorry your such a shitty shot and your groups weren’t better. Overall * * * * * I love this rifle. Thoughts on Savage MSR 15? If that’s the case, every muzzle brake on earth is “tunable.”. In this competition-focused gun, that heavy, gritty trigger seems to have disappeared. You could build your own for $800, or you could buy the Savage for $737 and hope it comes with a better trigger than the one in this review…, http://www.southernshootersgunsandgear.com/product.savage-arms-msr-15-recon-ar-15-semi-auto-rifle-556-nato-30-rounds-16-barrel-free-float-m-lok-handguard-axiom-stock-black. I’m shocked at how rusty the bolts are on your Caldwell Stinger rest. Starting from a low kneel, weapon on safe and low, I gave myself 6 seconds to shoot 6 roughly 1-inch targets, left-to-right and top-to-bottom, at 100 yards. https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/savage-msr-15-recon-semi-auto-rifle stock, but that’s just my personal taste. The Valkyrie gets within 100 fps of the bolt gun bullet. Neither did I. And he’s exaggerating about the trigger. He obviously is not in this category. Barrel Material: Carbon Steel (4140, Melonite Coated) That doesn’t seem right. Heck, if I were to walk out the door with any one gun, it’d be my very well-proven 1950’s era Savage in .30-06. silencer. Make the 556 gun with a side charging, left hand side upper like you did with your 308 offering. A couple of years ago when I built my first AR, I did it simply for the cool factor of saying that I did it myself. Carbine length gas system? The sights can be activated by pushing down on the levers or by depressing the release latches. The Savage MSR 15 Long Range proved to be a smooth shooter. JWT: This is off topic, but I just bought a LWRC “Other Firearm” AR-15 12″ barrel. The standard charging handle is the only thing that might have done it, but then it would be a 4.9 star review, and that’s just petty. Savage has made one heck of a gun in a great caliber. Savage MSR-15 Valkyrie barrel (image courtesy JWT for thetruthaboutguns.com). On top of that, manufacturers abound — Timney , Geissel , Hiperfire and Wilson Combat , just to name a few. The only special tools needed are for the upper, every thing else is pretty much tool free, though it saves a lot of frustration to get a tool to help install the front take down pin detent. But we’re still seeing its shockwaves ripple through the firearms industry. Providing, that is, it’s done right. So I slapped on the standard 3-9x scope I use for firearms testing and hit the range. As of this writing it is still available. This counts as the later, but if it were mine it would come right off and a silencer would go right on. There’s a lot of history with the 5R rifling, and I’ve been shooting a Remington bolt gun with the same land/groove set-up for well over 5,000 rounds now. I’ve got a lead sled and a stinger, and neither shows worse for wear except for some paint chipping. It’s smooth and has a clean break. Still, even at the low number, that’s a good amount of barrel life and, since it’s an AR, a barrel swap is extremely simple. and putting them together to complete a nice AR pattern rifle. I’m nonplussed that a company rightfully renowned for excellent out-of-the-box triggers would make a rifle with a trigger that’s run-of-the-muck. A good shooter can adjust to almost any trigger. In many cases they have to put in more hours, but they make their money. Even so, I hope that this reviews about it Savage Msr Recon Stripped Lower Receiver Review And Smith Wesson Ar 15 Complete Lower Receiver will always be useful. I’m not a buyer for the MSR, but I hope they sell a lot. The Savage MSR could do a lot better with a proper muzzle device and a good trigger. The $1,500 MSRP proves that good things come with a price. The great thing about the Hogue grip is that it provides a non-slip surface and plenty of real estate to grip. Wow, I haven’t been tempted to buy an off the shelf AR in a long time. The MSR 10 Long Range More AR fans are looking for rifles that can be used for extended-range precision shooting without being overly heavy. While not a brand-new gun, I was able to get my hands on one of Savage’s newer rifles, the MSR-10 Hunter chambered in .308 Win. How much do you want to bet that she called Code Enforcement thinking “I’ll show those stupid kids” just because she thought we were stupid for doing it? The MSR 15 Recon is their top-of-the-line 5.56 NATO chambered version. Update: my friend called me today, he bought the Savage MSR 15 Recon last Thursday morning and picked it up Friday morning. Overall Length (in)/(cm): 36.5 – 39 / 92.7 Just sayin’. With three different bullets at three different weights from three different lines, the Savage MSR15 I reviewed averaged groups at 1 MOA or less. Of course the wrench isn’t that expensive anyway. This has been tested and proven as a sub MOA rifle with the 5R rifling they incorporate. It gives the shooter plenty of room for a good cheek-stock weld, and the adjustable length of pull is stepped enough to give plenty of options. Although I’d shot at couple of guns chambered in .224 Valkyrie, I didn’t have any real experience with it until the 12 Hundo in Hondo event this last spring. If we stick to the lighter 60-ish grain bullets, you’ll see a 300+ fps advantage over the 5.56 NATO in the same gun. You’ll need to use a hex key. It’s much better than most stock AR triggers easily. Weight: (lb)/(kg) 7.88 / 3.57 The heart of any rifle is the barrel. Short for “quench, polish, quench,” the thermochemical nitrocarburizing process produces a long-lasting, non-reflective finish that’s harder than chrome and offers a lower coefficient of friction. Savage Arms MSR-15 Valkyrie trigger group (image courtesy JWT for thetruthaboutguns.com). I can easily see this being a multi-part article or even a yearly update. I was hoping to do some reloading of the cartridge, too as I have many thousands of 6.8SPC cases and .224 bullets of various weights, but everywhere I checked had the sizing dies on back-order. Well I paid $849 + tax for my MSR-15 Recon, and got that price before this article was even written, on April 06, 2017. By the time I got to the bench I had a good idea of how the MSR-15 Valkyrie would perform. May you live on indefinitely! Having tested more than my fair share of AR-15 rifles I like it when a gunmaker spices-up the formula, especially when it doesn’t impact interoperability. Not sure what the hell this moron is talking about. furniture and silencers, Federal Premium ammo, Hoppe’s cleaning supplies and more. The upper receiver’s ejection port has seen some work as well. Are you in Texas? Savage provided 320 .224 Valkyrie rounds of ammunition for the review. I never even considered myself a Savage guy, but I’ve been shooting them my whole life and they truly are rock solid as the author noted. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Several competitors used this cartridge with solid results. In fact, the Magpul PMAG is only thing that isn’t made by a Vista family. In schools the trades are frowned upon (apparently so are math, history, economics, science and most other useful bits of knowledge). Athlon Outdoors contributor Mike Detty is back to give us his take on the Savage MSR 15 Recon AR rifle. That’s pretty telling…. There was nothing resembling a clean break. The MSR 15 RECON 2.0 ships with one 30-round Magpul PMAG Gen2 M2 magazine, weighs 7.3 pounds empty, and has and extended length of 36.75 inches. I sprayed a little CLP I keep in my truck on the BCG prior to the review. I think it’s safe to say the AR-15 boom is behind us. The MSR 15 Recon is an AR-15 platform chambered in .223 Wylde, which allows it to easily and accurately run both .223 and 5.56 NATO. Your email address will not be published. and … I love working on things myself, specifically helping buddies do stuff like rebuilding the truck. Or competition guns. The semi-automatic MSR-15 Valkyrie rifle gets its name from the .224 Valkyrie cartridge. It’s smooth and even throughout. Aside from finding the parts you want- ie: 223Wylde chamber on a 16″ 1:8 twist barrel- at the price your budget allows(admittedly a very low budget)the hardest part is being patient and diligent about looking for deals. Getting under 1 MOA in an auto loader is darned impressive! I noticed that the handguard's rail is not perfectly aligned with the receiver's rail. I absolutely agree, if you are only going to have one, either buy a whole upper or a whole gun. The Savage MSR’s grip and the buttstock are straight out of the BLACKHAWK! Your email address will not be published. Magazine Capacity: 25 rounds (one supplied) This is one of the very few guns I wouldn’t bother reloading for. That wasn’t quite enough so I looked around for more. Hes just making stuff up, like he always does. So if you only want one AR then buying makes sense. Fix the trigger and the rifle would be one of the more accurate offerings in this price range. The trigger creeped along and eventually released the hammer whenever it felt like it. I know that was an issue when the rifles were released. Style and Appearance * * * * Some are more expensive and some are much less – it all depends on what I want. People constantly talk about how easy it is, that AR’s are Legos for adults but forget that we now live in a society where most people couldn’t change their own oil if their life depended on it. I hope Savage reads this. Sure, there are plenty of other parts on an AR that could be replaced with aftermarket, but none of them are as important as a decent trigger. As is, it’s okay. If Savage had spent just a little more time on the trigger (or swapping it for a readily available superior product already on the market) we wouldn’t be having this conversation. I picked up an addition 100 rounds, shooting a total of 420 rounds for the review. They didn’t. Required fields are marked *. I’ve always been a fan of Savage rifles. Don’t know if that was added after your comment or not. Gas System: Mid-Length adjustable Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. That said, this upper on most home-grown lowers would probably be great. Only, I’ve never built an AR or, really done even the most minor gunsmithing. It’s still very much the grip I prefer when shooting on the move, as it allows for easy access to accessories, as well as a fast start and stop of the gun. Not too many ARs make it on my “to buy” list anymore, but this one just did. I’ll never understand the terrible trigger on the premium rifle thing. If you are shooting an AR-15 in .5.56 NATO in an un-suppressed “direct impingement” rifle and sticking to the standard NATO offerings of that caliber, an adjustable gas block won’t do you a whole lot of good. [reviewadinsert] Savage is a company I never thought I’d see put out an AR-15 rifle. Groups were shot with the scope on 14X magnification. Also note that the proximal end of the handguard ends in a round cut that fits neatly over the upper receiver’s carrier channel. Do an interwebs search. The MSR 15 Recon comes standard with upgrades serious shooters demand, ... eh, so-so. The Savage MSR-15 also comes with an adjustable gas system on a mid-length gas tube. You’re not going to get any sub MOA shots out of this rifle with that light of a bullet grain. That rest has been sitting on my target bench, exposed to the elements, for 2 years now. Lol you nailed it with the words “extensively” and “down the pipe.” You’ve got the jargon down. Perfect with every round tested from a gummed-up and poorly-maintained rifle. But the street price is far more affordable. Shooting from a Caldwell Stinger shooting rest at 100 yards, the lightest round — the Federal Premium 60gr Nosler Ballistic Tip — scored the best, printing 3/4″ five-round groups. It generates a slightly more subdued recoil impulse than the purposefully over-gassed carbine length systems, and it’s more reliable than the rifle length system on a 16 inch barrel. Left to right: 55gr 5.56 NATO, 90gr 6.8 SPC, 90gr .224 Valkyrie (image courtesy JWT for thetruthaboutguns.com). Just bought a special edition “stars and stripes” Savage MSR 15 Recon and it has a great trigger with less than a 5 lb. Magpul did a wonderful job of teaming up with Savage Arms and the MSR 15 Recon. Savage MSR-15 Valkyrie fore-end with M-Lok (image courtesy JWT for thetruthaboutguns.com). It performed flawlessly. Using a standard profile barrel is a smart move. She didn’t call Code Enforcement on anyone else for anything, including having a car up on blocks in their driveway for damn near a year and we did 95% of the work in the garage. Seen in context, though, the move makes sense. On the AR-15 platform, the new MSR 15 Recon and MSR 15 Patrol are chambered in 223 Wylde, which enhances out-of-the-box accuracy and allows safe, reliable … These often-overlooked details really help to tie in an overall visual theme to the rifle, and help set it apart from lower-value ARs. 2 of 11 Photo by Alex Landeen Savage MSR 15 Recon. The 224 Valkyrie has been touted as a 1,000-yard round, and I’ve personally shot prairie dogs at a hair under 1k with the Savage MSR-15 Recon. Want to know how to stand out by producing something different? However, if you have seen performance issues, we encourage you to refrain from using the 224 Valkyrie Sierra 90-grain MatchKing rounds at this time per the announcement from Federal Premium (link below). From the article “Savage’s own two-stage trigger used on this rifle is as good as many of the aftermarket triggers available.”. I have a “Recon” with a “wylde” barrel. The MSR’s stock is Magpul’s Gen2 UBR. Savage MSR 15 Recon 2.0 556 Nato 16" Barrel 22992 - $949 Demand more from an out-of-the-box rifle. Of course, I could just move the rings up a notch or two on the Picatinny rail and problem solved. They built their brand on rock-solid bolt action rifles. Those of you familiar with the long-time King of the Varmints, the .22-250 Remington, should recognize that 60 grain load. This trigger broke at an ounce north of 3 lbs, with a nice, clean snap. I think you’re right. Your email address will not be published. This is FYI ONLY please contact Savage if you are having problems shooting 224 VAL ammo in your Savage MSR. There are some minor style embellishments in the lower receiver. My LGS installed the barrel for free. Yeah I imagine you can probably find some very good deals. Also available in 6.5 Creedmoor and .338 Federal. I literally built my AR with a pair of needle nose pliers, a punch and a rubber mallet. That’s impressive, but it got me concerned about barrel life. Personally, I’ll keep building my own the way I like them. Garand Daddy review: “I haven’t shot this gun much. Out on the 100-yard fixed distance range this was the best group I had all day. The real show-off is the cartridge’s ability to load 25 rounds of 90gr .224 diameter rounds and push them over 2,600fps. I’m beginning to think manufacturers in the AR platform market should have a “triggerless” option for $100 less than whatever crappy trigger they normally include. I would much prefer a “big boy” latch, as this small handle gets in the way of scope rings. Caliber: 224 VALKYRIE Rounds Downrange The smallest group fired came from the MSR 15 Recon while shooting Federal Gold Medal Match. That would allow customers to drop in whatever trigger they like. The Savage isn’t a bad carbine but the trigger is an issue – like 90% of all AR’s in this price range. Unlike many companies, Savage chose to mix their furniture up a bit, with a Magpul stock and a Hogue grip. Alternatively, you can replace it with your choice of muzzle. Their “AccuTrigger” is such a selling point that they bring a gigantic functioning model of it to every trade show they attend. Don’t know what they mean by that? Accuracy * * * * * All fair points but I think the reason for the market being as it you are seeing it today is that the vast majority of people won’t/don’t build a rifle because they have no idea how, don’t know how to find out, and probably don’t want to be bothered. level 2. I tested the Savage MSR with the thoughtfully provided 1-4x Bushnell scope, but that didn’t give me adequate magnification for accuracy. The trigger that comes with the top-of-the-line MSR Recon was a surprisingly bad eight-pound affair. I got my MSR from a pawn shop for $499. Compared to the DPMS Enhanced Tactical RECON the Savage has a better handguard at a lower price point. The Savage MSR’s M-LOK style allows for the same level of customization with a much slimmer profile and a much more comfortable grip. Overstuffed Magpul 5.56 NATO mags bulged, just like they do with regular 6.8SPC cases, and were difficult to insert, but dropped freely once they were empty. 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